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Ciné Live : Without disclosing the details of the character you play
in What Lies Beneath, does the role seem to you more risky in terms
of your image?
Harrison Ford : No. Reading it, the script seemed to me to be potentially
very entertaining. The role was not only interesting to me, but was also
a role the public had not seen me in. It was a great opportunity. And
I had wanted to work with Bob Zemeckis and Michelle Pfeiffer for a long
time. This as much as anything was a factor in my decision.
At the time of Air Force One, you declared that there was no
reason for you to play a villian on screen because the public would prefer
to see a hero…
To repeat, What Lies Beneath has been an occasion not to assume
the stereotypical role, to be a character like those I had already played.
I have never searched to play only the hero, and this is not a new approach
for me. Honestly, I'm not concerned with what the audience will think
or they will me accept in this role. Quite simply because I think the
character is credible and successful. I am there to complete my mission
which consists, at least I hope each time, of providing if possible quality
entertainment. For me to serve the public in some manner, which summarizes
the idea that I've had of this business all through my career.
All the same, your doctor Spencer is a man of two faces. One knows
from the beginning that he has deceived his spouse and understands later
that he conceals a horrible secret. Does that seem like pure evil?
At the beginning, one does not perceive him as so. The audience has time
to become interested to story of this couple, to involve itself in measures,
suspend doubt, but also to be aback by the unexpected bounces. This character,
he is not to be judged by me. At any rate, the morality of the characters
that I play does not enter into my choice of films. For each film, my
goal is to develop and continue an emotional connection with the audience.
Once they have bitten into the hook, it becomes easier to interest them
in what passes until the end. That is this the fascinating power of cinema.
What do you think of Robert Zemeckis?
To begin, my hat off to his unlimited enthusiasm for the cinema as a medium,
giving him multiple talents. He takes his job very seriously, he is very
attentive. He has particularly strength with the decor of the film as
well as the visual appearance, and it is my belief this has a significant
payoff. I found it very gratifying to work under his direction. He is
somebody who knows the cast, who includes their way of acting and their
needs. He knows how to reach to this and fold it into the big picture.
Without be ever thinking of himself, he makes discerning choices. He has
a marvelous sense of editing. For me, the film has taken on another dimension
thanks to the manner in which Bob has supervised the final editing. All
these moments of surprise are also effective, thanks to him. During the
editing, no scene that has been imagined is also not clearly necessary.
That is what makes the whole difference.
How do you explain the chemistry between Michelle Pfeiffer and you
in the film?
Listen, that is something that people talk about of which I don't analyze.
All I know is that Michelle and I both understood the story and were on
the same wavelength. At the start, it was a good idea for us to join up.
That is what we call good casting. But there was also a good script, which
served us to give life to these characters, helped us bring attention
and scope to the details of their life as a couple, and keep accurate
the nature of their relations. From the beginning, I felt very at ease
with Michelle as with any actress. Our first scene in common was the one
where we are both in bed! It was to show not just the sensuality, but
also to add a step to make the story progress. We worked enormously on
this and that is why the scene functions so well.
Your last two films, Random Hearts and What Lies Beneath,
have centered on personal intrigues. Is that a deliberate choice to move
away from thrillers and action films?
I am interested in and open to all sorts of films, roles, genres. I hope
to have another opportunity to do action films and comedies… I don't try
to look for a specific genre, as long as the quality is there. I was always
uncompromising on this, even where my character of bloody nuisance. But
that is because I am rarely contented one hundred percent.
Compared to Working Girl, Sabrina was not a complete
success and 6 Days, 7 Nights was welcomed indifferently. Do you
consider these films mistakes?
With Sabrina, I had wanted to play in a comedy as a different genre.
I was not disappointed by the results, knowing that such a departure would
not be a blockbuster. I was very honored to work with Sydney Pollack and
Julia Ormond. None of us, and me in particular, consider this film like
a check. Comedy is a delicate genre, where timing is essential and where
rhythm and the quality of the writing are important. It's difficult. With
6 Days, 7 Nights, it was an occasion for me to do a comedy of words… with gusto. That is a test.
What are the chances of a fourth installment of Indiana Jones?
It has been four months since we got together, George [Lucas],
Steven [Spielberg] and me, to discuss and exchange ideas. At this
time, I hope we will begin to proceed soon. This is no formal announcement
of the start of episode 4! But I believe we will start when we find a
story that we are all satisfied with. I would love to reprise this role.
Concerning just Indiana Jones, how did the character take form and
what was your contribution?
Indy possesses some of aspects of my own personality: the dry humor, especially,
that were not in the original script and that we have developed in the
shaping of the character. I remember having suggestions on the look that
he ought to have in reaction to the drawings that were done in during
the film preparation. It was a close collaboration with Anthony Powell,
the costume designer. Especially the details...
Is it a character that you miss?
Of course, because of his significance not only to me, but for millions
of fans. Because, also, of the challenge it represents, knowing that the
public is waiting to follow the adventures. In the case of Indiana Jones,
I was always convinced he should have something brought into his character
in each episode, to build his character.... So, the decision to cast Sean
Connery to play his father in Last Crusade was a genius move. The
movie also helped us better understand his phobias. But after three episodes,
we have a lot in the mix with such a figure. I know that Steven and George
will not exploit the series for greed, and we expect that eventually the
character will run dry of potential. On the other hand, the character
of Han Solo was too slender, too simple to justify me playing him again.
Jack Ryan, possesses sufficient depth to further explore again and detect
other aspects of his personality.
So why did you decide not to reprise the role a third time?
I thought the script adapted from the Tom Clancy novel was not dramatically
attractive. That it did not exploit not the elements developed in both
the previous films. All I will say about the film is that it goes sour
very soon. I am certain that it will please many. I am happy that a talented
actor like Ben Affleck will take the role.
What do you need to feel when you read a script for the first time?
I like a role that wasn't written for me. I prefer by far to play a role
originally written for… Dustin Hoffman, for example. A screenwriter who
writes a role for a specific actor writes to his assets, his strong points,
avoiding generally his weaknesses. For me, I would rather adapt and confront
my weaknesses to improve. I believe that a good character really depends
on a talented screenwriter and the actor playing the role work together.
What kind of actor are you?
I am someone very technical. I am never good at explaining precisely the
functioning of the machinery as an actor, but in the first place, I try
always to know, as specifically as possible, what I have to communicate,
and what is the purpose of each scene. Because each scene must help in
the progression of the story, otherwise it has no reason for being. After
that is the ablity to play the game, but I hold to this especially that
we meet the demands of the story.
When the director says action, are you instantly able
to be in character?
Yes. It is very easy for me to concentrate and be the character before
the camera. It is also easy to stop being the character once the director
says cut. I am not the kind to bring home my work after a
day of shaping this character. On the other hand, if I had problems with
the scene or somebody else I am working with, then yes, I will think about
it at home.
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You often describe that you provide a service to the public. What
exactly to you mean by that?
My role is to provide service, as a performer, in a well-defined position
with, given my disposition, a competent group. As I have said, my aim
is not to disappoint the public, but to give them their money's worth,
with entertaining and quality films. Movies are a business, show business,
I have never seen it as a pure art form.
What ambitions did you have when you started out in the business,
during the 60s?
Very limited! Back then, the height of my ambitions was to get a role
on a TV series. One thing is sure : I didn't think I would be land leading
roles.
For a long time, you made ends meet thanks to carpentry. At what moment
did you start to believe that you could make a living being in the movies?
In 1973, just prior to making American Graffiti. Then, for the
first time in my career, I was able to contribute my opinion. Indeed,
George Lucas had insisted for the part that I get a brush cut. At that
time, I had long hair that was in fashion. And I said to myself that if
I cut it too short, it would take six months to grow it out again and
during that time, I might have the wrong look for other roles. So I refused
to cut my hair and suggested to George that I might wear a hat instead.
He agreed and, at that moment, I began to have more confidence, to be
less hesitant to give my suggestions.
Which role made you a star, Han Solo or Indiana Jones?
You know, as far as I'm concerned, I don't make a distinction between
star and actor. That's quite a shallow perception. When you are engaged,
as a star or an actor, you have the same assignment : to play a role.
The success of Star Wars was phenomenal. I was associated with
it, but the reason for its success came from the team, not from any individual.
The two or three films in that series, and Raiders of the Lost Ark,
made me a star, as you say.
You are one of the rare people that have worked with Steven Spielberg
and George Lucas three times. What can you say about them?
First of all I must says it is a pleasure of working with both of them,
even if their personalities and the ways in which they work are different.
Steven is very quick, very inventive. His mind functions in terms of film
with great ease. He takes immense pleasure, a great joy in the process
of putting together a scene. One difference with George is that he thinks
abstractly, the reason of his creative vision. He is more attracted to
places of myth in the midst of our culture. That makes it exciting to
be in his company.
You are now 58 years old. Does your age worry you?
I have always thought by alternating different roles as much as
possible according to my capacities, I would be able to continue in this
business for as long as possible. When the moment comes when I am not
considered for leading roles anymore, I will be content to take on character
roles… That would suit me perfectly!
- By Jean-Paul Chaillet; Photos by Nigel Parry
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